GREER, S.C. — As she’s working the counter at a hole-in-the-wall hot dog stand named Rosie’s in upstate South Carolina, Tracy Hooker isn’t interested in debating the merits of Donald Trump’s proposal to temporarily block Muslims from coming into the United States.
She knows some people think it’s bigoted. That others argue it’s impractical, legally dubious or both. And that every other Republican running for president has, in some way or another, rejected the idea that the plan is even worth talking about.
That’s why she says Trump is “my guy.”
He’s the only one who gets it.
“Think about it. You don’t know what you’ve got here. You’ve got no clue,” she said of the Muslim tourists, immigrants and refugees Trump wants to temporarily bar from coming to the U.S.
“You don’t know if they like us. You don’t know if they hate us,” said Hooker, 47, of Greer, South Carolina. “You don’t know why they’re here.”
To Hooker and the dozens of Trump supporters interviewed in the past week by The Associated Press in the first-to-vote states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, the near universal condemnation of the billionaire’s plan is simply baffling.
They hear U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan say, “This is not conservatism,” and British Prime Minister David Cameron call it, “Quite simply wrong.” They listen to the secretary general of the United Nations call Trump’s plan “xenophobic” and an “appeal to hate.”
And, they say, they marvel at how naive all the critics sound.
In the wake of the attacks in Paris and shootings in San Bernardino, they say only Trump is taking on what they believe is a clear and present danger to America and its citizens.
“When you’re in war, you have to take steps that are not American to protect yourself and defend the country,” said Margaret Shontz, of Cedar Falls, Iowa, as she arrived at a Trump campaign stop in Des Moines on Friday.
Trump’s call to bar Muslims from coming to America is “awesome.”
“Very needed,” she said. “Very necessary.”
By their own description, Trump supporters are frustrated and angry about the direction of the nation. They fret over the fate of the economy, feel betrayed by the nation’s immigration policy and worry America has lost its way on the world stage.
In interviews with AP, they argued Trump’s plan for Muslims who want to come to the U.S. is a bold proposal that regular politicians are too timid to make. They feel the criticism that comes from those same politicians is rooted in the weakness Trump promises to sweep away.
Iowa’s Dale Witmer, 90, a registered Republican and Word War II veteran who likes Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, embraced the Muslim ban as a “great idea.”
While he has concerns about Trump’s unfiltered style, he praises him for talking about things he says others are thinking but afraid to say themselves.
“I’d like to go back (to) when I was younger in the 50s and 60s, when the country was a little better. It was America then. I’m starting to worry we’re starting to lose identity in this country, I do believe,” Witmer said.
He added he was taken aback by the backlash: “I don’t know how to comprehend that.”
Many of Trump’s supporters called the reaction to his plan yet another example of the Republican establishment and a biased media trying to stop a candidate who refuses to play by their rules.
Dan Edwards, a retired banker from Van Meter, Iowa, who brought his family to Trump’s town hall in Des Moines on Dec. 11, said the real estate mogul’s words were taken out of context to make his plan sound more extreme.
“I think it’s been made into something it wasn’t meant to be. I think basically what he’s doing is saying, ‘OK, wait a minute. Refugees, we need to make sure we know what we’re looking for and to make sure everything is in place,’ ” said Edwards, 53, who compared the proposal to a temporary “time out” while the country re-assesses the situation.
Trump made the proposal a week ago, releasing a statement on Dec. 7 that called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”
Trump’s campaign said immediately thereafter the proposed ban would apply to “everyone,” including individuals seeking to immigrate to the country as well as those looking to visit as tourists.
When asked by AP if the ban would apply to U.S. citizens traveling, working or living abroad, including American servicemen and women who are Muslim, Trump responded via a spokeswoman, “You figure it out!”
As the week progressed, Trump began to fill in additional details. He said American citizens, including Muslim members of the military, would be exempt, as would certain world leaders and athletes coming to the U.S. to compete.
“By the way, it’s not total and complete. And it’s temporary,” Trump said Sunday in an interview with CNN. “You’re going to have exceptions. You’re going to have people coming in and you are going to get people in.”
New Hampshire state Rep. Stephen Stepanek, Trump’s campaign co-chairman in the state, said the reaction to Trump’s proposal fit the pattern of his campaign: First outrage, then a realization Trump hit the nail on the head.
“He’s always one step ahead of all the other politicians in pointing out a problem. And everybody’s outraged. And then all of a sudden they start analyzing what he said and realize, ‘Oh my god, he’s right,’ ” he said.
“I think it’s a fabulous idea,” Stepanek said. “Because our system is broken and what has happened in San Bernardino is an example of a tip of the iceberg.”
An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released last week found that at 57 percent, a solid majority of Americans, oppose Trump’s proposal. A CBS News poll also found nearly six-in-10 Americans opposed the ban, with two-thirds saying it goes against the country’s founding principles.
But Republicans are far more receptive; 54 percent voiced support for the ban in the CBS poll.
During a 29-person focus group made up of mostly Trump supporters in a suburb of Washington last week, just eight participants said they disagreed with Trump’s proposal. Seventeen raised their hands when asked if they agreed.
Republican pollster Frank Luntz, who led the group, said in his 23 years in the business, he’s never seen a phenomenon quite like Trump.
“He defies every assumption that was laid out,” Luntz said. “He has created or found the magic formula. And he has been using it more successfully than anyone — including me — ever imagined.”
While Trump has brushed back criticism, including from some Republicans, that his idea smacks of bigotry, some of his backers take that charge personally.
“I felt like I’m being insulted,” said Edwards, the banker from Iowa. “I’m feeling strongly about my country and I feel attacked when they’re going against him in that way.”
Others saw it as a badge of honor.
“Being compared to Hitler is how you know you’ve reached the apex,” said Gary Hopper, 58, of Bedford, New Hampshire.
At Cannon’s restaurant in Greer, South Carolina, not too far from Rosie’s hot dog stand, manager Tammy Holcombe argued “everybody’s getting too offended by this.” Another Cannon’s employee, 50-year-old Wayne Weathers, chimed in: “The drive-by media says everybody’s a racist who supports Trump. That’s ridiculous.”
Holcombe said she doesn’t have a problem applying a religious test to visitors, immigrants and refugees.
“I’m a Christian, and they’re all against that, so why not?” she said, adding that the U.S. leaders should “man up, grow a backbone and quit worrying about the little things and focus on the big picture of everything, not just immigration.”
“I know we all came from somewhere else,” she added, “but this is a different time now.”
Back at Rosie’s, Hooker made a point to say that among her hundreds of Facebook friends, “a few of them are Muslims. One’s even an atheist.”
But she said she’d be willing to bar American citizens who are Muslim and travel outside the country from returning home — a position that goes far beyond what Trump has proposed.
“Look, if I let you borrow my shoes from my house, when you bring them back, I’m not going to bring them back in until I reassess and see what I’ve got,” she said.
Among some Trump supporters, even those who agree with his proposal, there are some concerns — usually about how the bombastic former reality TV star is selling his ideas.
“I agree with him, mostly,” said Greg Spearman, 46, who owns an electrical firm in Greer. “But there’s certainly a better way to say it.”
Still other backers said they simply don’t take Trump’s plan at face value. Some argued he was deliberately trying to provoke the media in search of attention, while others said he was simply trying to raise an alarm and would take a more measured approach if he makes it to the White House.
Trump himself as even suggested his proposed ban was intended to stir up reaction: “Without the ban,” he said Sunday, “you’re not going to make the point.”
Billy Montplaisir, a 27-year-old maintenance worker who lives in Weare, New Hampshire, said that he likes “everything about” Trump — but nonetheless felt uncomfortable with the proposal. He worried it would play into the hands of Islamic radicals and risked turning the “good ones against us.”
“The Muslim thing, that kind of blew me out,” Montplaisir said. “He kind of went a little overboard there.”
Still, Montplaisir is sticking with Trump and plans to vote for him when New Hampshire holds the first primary of the campaign in a few weeks.
“I like how he’s just up front,” he said, “and doesn’t care what people think.”
(JILL COLVIN and BILL BARROW)