Battle Between Constantinople and Moscow over Autocephaly in Ukraine

FILE - In this file photo taken on Friday, Aug. 31, 2018, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, right, the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians, sits with Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, during their meeting at the Patriarchate in Constantinople. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis, file)

BOSTON – A battle, if not war, has broken out between the Orthodox Patriarchate of Moscow and the Ecumenical Patriarchate as the day approaches when Patriarch Bartholomew will present the Patriarchal Tomos of Autocephaly to the newly elected Metropolitan Epiphanios of the Unified Orthodox Church of Ukraine on the Sunday of Epiphany January 6, 2019.

Epiphanios is scheduled to arrive at the Phanar in Constantinople on Saturday January 5, where he will be received for the first time by Ecumenical Patriarch …

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  1. Bartholomew’s actions are as unlawful as those of his successors who signed phony “unifications” with the Pope 500 years ago as Constantinople was falling. He has become a schismatic Patriarch of a dying church in Turkey. He will be remembered as a criminal who filled his pockets with bribes long after his death. And even death will not bring peace to this ignoble man. I am 100% Greek by ancestry and this man makes me ashamed.

    1. Writing a sentence that says “I am 100% Greek” hardly means this guy isn’t a Russian troll. Kalmoukos, you are right. War has broken out and Russians are deploying Exarchies to all parts of the world ( see their PR site) to counter and destroy Bart. The information ops teams the Russians employ or encourage are also in full swing. Read all the anti-Bart comments with a grain of salt. The Russians are the best at disinformation, even better than the Chinese. Bart is a mess and he and his boys deserve the fruits of what they’ve sown, but I’ll be damned if I am siding with Putin and his thugs in robes over our mafia boss. The Russians are coming and you will regret it. They are as crooked as crooked can be defined. Bribes? They invented the word. And their pervert “confessors” will be asking your wife whether she had missionary or oral sex at every confession. That’s their brand of Orthodoxy and it survives the Soviet era where the church spied on its own people.

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      Please proof read your statements before posting them This type of grammatical error certainly discredits your commentary, and lose its credibility

    3. And you made a syntactic error in your last 5 words. “and lose irs credibility” is incorrect syntax when reading the whole sentence. You also missed a period after “them”.

      The pot calls the kettle black.

  2. To Jason Bourne…. rule of thumb ! To the informed Greek Americans and Americans who have witnessed the war crimes and perpetual wars and destruction of the world …by you and your degenerate members of the State department , military and C.i,A …..it is clear that part of their tactics to hide their criminal activities…..is to accuse Russia of criminal behavior or doing something wrong ….because , they have either done it or are planning to do it!

    To this point …accusing Michael of being a troll ….merely, means that you Jason Bourne are the State department troll spreading your lies and distortions ….and representing the interests of your U.S. freaks who have killed 312 million people in the Middle East …and are in deep depression because Donald Trump has put on paper …an end to the slaughter of the Syrian People which you and your rogue allies from the Gulf States have sponsored!

    While Vladimir Putin …has help destroy you and your U.S traitors to humanity with your proxy armies…to now put up …a Christmas Tree …as big as the one at Rockefeller Center …if you even know this …in the center of Allepo and Damascus…held by terrorist rebels for the first time in six years!

    But you have a bigger problem…today it is reported that a Mr. Arkwin …the most senior reporter and news commentator for NBC has resigned after 30 years because he was sick of the campaingn of misinformation by mainstream media in supporting the Security state of America in promoting the endless wars in the Middle east ..in destroying relation with Russia and restoring the cold war …and the disgusting response to Donald trump taking American troops out of Syria …which Jason…you must be joining your other “Mad Dog compound” which includes Mattis , Mccystal, Brennan, Clapper , Graham , Flake, Corker , ete etc …in drowning their sorrow with smoke from detonated dynamite…for another high!

    Long-time reporter @warkin leaves NBC & MSNBC, emails statement saying these outlets are captive to the national security state & devoted to Endless War: “defenders of the government against Trump, cheerleader for open and subtle threat mongering”- reflexively pro-war

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    Arkin expressed concern that NBC’s infatuation with the “Trump circus” has distracted journalists from pressing stories that need to be told.

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    “I’m more worried about how much we are missing. Hence my desire to take a step back and think why so little changes with regard to America’s wars,” he wrote.

    He continued by questioning the media’s fanatical opposition to Trump’s desire to improve relations with Russia, denuclearize North Korea, and withdraw from Syria.

    “I’m alarmed at how quick NBC is to mechanically argue the contrary, to be in favor of policies that just spell more conflict and more war. Really? We shouldn’t get out Syria? We shouldn’t go for the bold move of denuclearizing the Korean peninsula? Even on Russia, though we should be concerned about the brittleness of our democracy that it is so vulnerable to manipulation, do we really yearn for the Cold War? And don’t even get me started with the FBI: What? We now lionize this historically destructive institution?” he quipped.

    If anyone is qualified to critique NBC’s military and national security reporting, it would be Arkin. The veteran journalist has worked for the network intermittently for the last 30 years, and co-authored a seminal Washington Post investigation revealing the dangerous rise of America’s security state.

    William M. Arkin
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    · Dec 21, 2018

    Hey Jason … is this guy a Russian agent like Michael No , his is a patriot ..which is foreign to you!

    Your days are over …Jason …and I suggest you start looking for a new job…because by the time Donnie gets done with removing America from Iraq, Afganistan, Yemen , somalia …because he knows we are broke, their will be no deed for poeple of the the C.i.A hoods!

    More importantly…. if I was Bart …he should recognize …that when the people of the Ukraine and in particular the etthnic Russian orthodox Christian in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea retake their country from those Neo Nazi victims of the ruthless Vlad …and the informed just love this guy…. he will have no place in the Ukraine …and will have no place in America or Greece!

    Vlad and Dr. Assad …among the informed …are the Men of the year! They have stopped the most ruthless alliance of degenerates which include Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the gulf states , Israel and the United States …in destroying Syria! All the have done ..is destroy the cultural monument of history buildings of Christianity and ancient history…but guess what…Syria lives …and after all their efforts…nothing has changed …and the only thing left is for you and your warloads to apologize …and provide reparations to the people of Syria!

    Jason…you just keep on supporting your Anglo White Supremacist racist ..and I as a 100 % Spartan blood Greek …will continue to support the Syrian and Russian People!

    1. Michael Gianakos again sets a record for the number of words posted and he overstates the case a bit, but, nevertheless, Jason Bourne, please know that the the Greek American diaspora media is no place for the kind of extreme hatred of Russia that you espouse.

      Jason, this is especially an important to state because you have also developed the habit of accusing each person who disagrees with your approach of being a Russian. Well, I am not a Russian, I am an American of second-generation Greek ancestry.

      It is in the interests of those living in the US, Greece, and Cyprus for there to be good relations between the US and Russia. There are so many other problems to deal with.

    2. Please know you are full of beans, Johnny, and you hardly speak for anybody but your weak persona and, lastly, you are not my therapist to tell me what I have developed or not developed. We are not the diaspora or Greeks living abroad. We are Americans. Hatred is a word you used, not me. Extreme is a word you socialists use when you have no counter argument. How do you know they are not Russian or Russian agents? Michael Jokekos states that Putin and Assad are Men of the Year. Are you and he nuts? Are you Russian agents? Cyprus had a communist PM until recently. Tsipras named his kid after Che Guevara. John, you and your faux peace party of two are un-American at the least.

    3. Jason: I am not a socialist, nor am I a supporter of the socialist Tsipras.

      I am not a pacifist. Nevertheless, the admonition of Abraham Lincoln during the Trent Crisis of the US Civil War is relevant here. Various hotheads were encouraging him to make war on Britain as well as the Confederacy, and he wisely stated, “One war at a time.”

      Wars are sometimes necessary–but they must be chosen carefully. The US faces serious challenges from China, along our southern border, and from Islamic extremists (including, over the long-term, the ones in Turkey). This is no time to be looking for a fight with Russia.

      I am also seeing the importance of how Turkey can benefit from exploiting any US-Russia tension by getting goods and favors from both powers.

      You may be right in saying that I “hardly speak for anybody.” And please do not confuse be with the more wordy person on here; I am not even sure that I am in a “party of two.”

      So the popular advantage is with you, both among the Greek Americans and among Americans in general. The mainstream media has succeeded in creating a lot of hatred here against Russia. You can revel in it. But there will likely be a cost to be paid later.

  3. Russian propaganda has no limits. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for 12 months, the Russian Troll Factory works tirelessly. But they cannot understand one simple thing. The more mud they pour on the Ecumenical Patriarch, the more they alienate Ukraine and (more recently) Greece, including the diasporas of both nations. Bad job.

    1. And U.S propaganda has no limits? Your accusations have been vetted out by the informed Americans….which recognizes the propaganda strategy of the degenerates in our government to ….to accuse Russia of everything criminal ….which the U.S is doing or planning to do! All this to cover up their lies and crimes …and distract the people of America!

      I hope you tell Jason Bourne …and his Anglo white supremacist …that they need to stop tipping off the informed public on what criminal actions they are committing …every time. they falsely accuse Russia of something ….like the collusion and meddling charges against Russia …that have not been proven , but we all know …the meddling of the United states thru out the world …including the assassination of journalist and leaders of foreign countries !

      Your narratives are old news…like …back in the 60’s ….. and let me help you …Russia has a Parliamentary government….and the communist party has been reduced to less than 10% of the political parties of Russia! On the other hand….the U.S government is now a totalitarian party ..now represented by 70 % Neo Nazis! The cold war ended …but has been restored…..and most of our money …goes to the miliary to pay for a whole world of U.S bases!

      You need serious propaganda rehab….and mind control therapy …like Jason! Really, John Sakelaris was right!

  4. Answer to: The mainstream media has succeeded in creating a lot of hatred here against Russia. You can revel in it. But there will likely be a cost to be paid later.

    There is no need to read the mainstream media in order to begin to have a negative attitude towards Russia. The Russians themselves do an excellent job of this, forcing everyone to resist them. Just go to the forums, social networks, etc. And read what the Russians write, for example, about Ukrainians and Greeks. Dirt and slop are poured on Ukraine and Greece every single day. Once again, you need to say “thank you” to the “great strategist” Putin, who is leading Russia into the abyss.

    1. It may be that BOTH Russia and the US are heading into the abyss. The likely winners? In no particular order: China, Turkey, Islamic extremists, and left-wing extremists.

  5. Hey Johnie …. John Sakelaris may be many things to you, because he does not accept” our” opinion ….but he is consistent in his position of moderation ..well intentioned or not! And I can respect that …even if it is frustrating to me at times!

    Labeling him …a Russian troll or sympathizer …which in your lunatic mind …makes him a traitor , because Russia is an enemy of a degenerate group of Anglo White supremacist Racist that have hijacked our country, who have created and formented a hostile relationship with Russia to rape our treasury of billions of dollars to feed the military industrial contractors to build more horrific weapons …and to justify the expansion of Nato bases towards Russia …and take control of the sovereignty of the vassal states of Europe!

    You and Jason ..are the trolls of these white Supremacist …to make your enemies …the enemies of John Sakelaris , me and the rest of the world …to wage despicable war crimes and denegrate the sovereigty of the non Anglo citizens of the world!

    However…you are failing miserably…. today UAE, one of the enemy of Syria and one of the sponsors with the U.S , Saudi Arabia, Israel and Turkey of the jihadist Sunni Muslim terrorist , who attempted to overthrow the elected government led by Dr. Assad …..has for the first time in 6 years …reopened their embassy in Damascus! For the first time in 6 years ….in the center market of Allepo and Damascus …Orthodox Christians have put up a Christmas tree , as large as the one at Rockefeller center and celebrated in the streets of Damascus, because the Russian….came to the aid of the Syrian People! And that in the end …is what you hate about Russia …because the have obstructed your Global plans of domination by you and your racist billionaires!

    Today, the Iraqi parliament is demanding the withdrawal of American troops from their country, In Okinawa …Japanese citizens have stoped thru daily protests the expansion of U.S bases in Okinawa…and will continue to protest the presence of U.S troops and complete removal from those bases!

    Netanyahue ..is under investigation for bribes to their newspaper in Israel ..to do what …the media does here..lie! Today, Netanyahu is in deep depression because his Kurdish Proxy army who was counted on to taker a piece of Syria …and be a vassal possession of Israel and the U.S …is about to be eliminated by the Turks!

    The blackmail efforts of you and the white supremacist racist…to make the countries of Europe and around the world …to not buy Russian and Iranian oil …which is called economic warfare…has failed to date …and has not backfired since…at least 6 countries are dropping the Universal dollar exchange for local currencies and barter …which is really more of an issue for the degenerates …since…this has been a major tool of control over the countries of the world! Hey John and Jason…I am sure you ate this point …you are putting on your suicide vests or getting a Hari Kari moment!

    Additionally, I continue to write my long posts and you continue to read them!

    Finally, only you and your degenerates hate Russians…since, Donald Trump loves them and reflects what the American Population wants ..in Poll after Poll….better relations!

    Additionally…Russia represent no threat to anyboby but you and your media collaborators …since in 2014 and 2018…. surveys of the countries of the world ….by the acclaimed International Gallup Poll organization …reveals that the greatest enemy to the world …. and most dangerous threat to world peace …is the United States of America ! Russia was not even in the top ten!

    Additionally, 78% of Americans consider you buddies in the government , like the State Department, Congress, Justice department , C.i.A corrupt thru and thru… by the acclaimed Gallup Pollsters!

    So Jason and Johnie , white supremacist….I stand on my selection ..as men of the Year …Vladimir Putin and Dr. Assad ….for standing up to the most dangerous country in the world …and bring peace to their people! As a Spartan …I would build a monument for Dr. Assad…for doing what king leonidas did…not running from Syria …and leaving his people to the Persion hordes from Saudi Arabia and America ..for slaughter! With immense courage and …if you didn’t notice , immense support from his people …he did something nobody did …in the Middle East …defend the sovereignty of his country ..to remain independent..not under the control of Israel , the United States and Saudi Arabia
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    Jason and John…sorry , you have failed to make your enemies …..the enemies of John Sakelaris or me!

  6. Well, this is interesting. Moscow and Ukraine celebrate according to the traditional patristic calendar while Constantinople follows the revised calendar. Theophany for Constantinople is indeed January 6 but for Moscow and Ukraine it’s January 6/13. So January 6 is Nativity eve for Ukraine. What will it be? Will Ukraine switch? Have the laity in Ukraine realized this? Let’s see how this works out.

    1. ANAXIOS Bartholomew ANAXIOS ANAXIOS!! The faithful people of Ukraine will remain loyal not Metropolitan Onuphry, not the Frankenstein Neo-Nazi creation of Bartholomew. I hope my fellow Greeks speak up and share our disgust with the Phanar.

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